To: devnull@onion.rain.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) From: devnull@onion.rain.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) Reply-To: devnull@onion.rain.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) Sender: devnull@onion.rain.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) Errors-To: postmaster@onion.rain.com Return-Path: devnull@onion.rain.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) Precedence: bulk Bcc: falcon3-outgoing Subject: Falcon3 Digest V5 : I2 Falcon3 Digest Volume 5 : Issue 2 Wed Nov 10 06:37:12 PST 1993 Compilation copyright (C) 1993 Jeff Beadles Send submissions to "falcon3@onion.rain.com" Send add/drop requests to "majordomo@onion.rain.com" Archives are available via ftp from onion.rain.com [147.28.0.161] and mirrored on cactus.org in /pub/falcon3 Today's Topics: chad theater Rolf Velthuys ET4000-W32 Flicker Fix sep@netcom.com (Scott E. Pendleton) Hi-Fidelity shanev@aol.com wingmen and ECM "Emilio Radius ((+39)-2-596.25081)" Re: Strange black-out stenger@zeus.uni-duisburg.de (Joerg HiFi-Mode slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil MiG-29 Weapons and Radar ?? slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil Safe F-16 slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil "The 29th" slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil Chad theatre Ric Testagrossa ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Rolf Velthuys Subject: chad theater #From: Andrew J. Schmitt #Subject: Chad Theatre is now availible at onion.rain.com #I have downloaded the Chad scenarios from SH's BBS and posted them on #onion.rain.com. Enjoy! # [ It's in /pub/falcon3/misc/f3chad.zip -Jeff] make that /pub/falcon3/missions/f3chad.zip [Oops! -Jeff] Thanks Andy (and Jeff of course!). Rolf ------------------------------- From: sep@netcom.com (Scott E. Pendleton) Subject: ET4000-W32 Flicker Fix Does anyone know where I might be able to find a fix (patch) file for Falcon 3 that eliminates the annoying flicker seen when using a fast DX2-66MHz machine with a Tseng based ET4000-W32 video card? Apparently SpecHolo has released a fix for users of this type of card. I'd appreciate info on where I might be able to get this file. Thanks Scott [ Note: This sig was highly edited. When the signature is longer than the article... -Jeff ] -- Scott E. Pendleton Netcom - Online Communication Services sep@netcom.COM ------------------------------- From: shanev@aol.com Subject: Hi-Fidelity Andreas Spengler writes: >I have just a small question: When I run Falcon 3.02.1 in >HiFi-Mode on my 486DX-33 it appears to me, that my >engine is performing far too well, if you ask me. For >instance I have to reduce throttle to 60% to maintain >a speed of 450 knots. Since this is in my opinion totally >unrealistic I use Falcon3 only in Complex Mode. Congratulations, Andreas. You've discovered the fact that Hi-Fidelity is a cartoonish flight model. Complex is much closer to reality. Spectrum Holobyte got the Hi-Fi flight model from the USAF and are prohibitted from changing it. Hence, it will never be improved, and I would be very surprised if it wasn't dropped altogether in F4. It was designed by the military as a BVR trainer, and is a complete mess when it comes to dogfighting. Regards, ShaneV ------------------------------- From: "Emilio Radius ((+39)-2-596.25081)" Subject: wingmen and ECM Often my wingmen are hit by missiles even if they bring ECM. I survive because I keep ECM turned on but I'm note sure wingmen has turned it on. Is there any way to force them to use it. Thank you Emilio Radius ------------------------------- From: stenger@zeus.uni-duisburg.de (Joerg Stenger) Subject: Re: Strange black-out In issue 1 (V5 sic!) Christophe Bonnet wrote about an unrecoverable balck-out in MiG-29. I experienced almost the same in IA as I tried to find out the maximum flight-level for the '29. As I stalled I decided to gain speed and dove with full AB. When I wanted to pull up at about 20k feet, I imedately blacked out and didn't recover from that. Using the track-view I saw my MiG doing one vertical loop after the other. With every loop the maximum altitude was a bit lower than at the one before. After about 10 loops with hands off stick and throttle I hit and ended IA. Joerg "Dancer" Stenger PS: I use the "realistic" flight-model ------------------------------- From: slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil (stuart butts/taai/75033) Subject: HiFi-Mode > From: spengler@math.uni-frankfurt.de > Subject: HiFi-Mode > I have just a small question: When I run Falcon 3.02.1 in > HiFi-Mode on my 486DX-33 it appears to me, that my > engine is performing far too well, if you ask me. For > instance I have to reduce throttle to 60% to maintain > a speed of 450 knots. Since this is in my opinion totally > unrealistic I use Falcon3 only in Complex Mode. > Has anyone made the same experience or I am just wrong > in thinking that this behaviour is not normal ???? This particular aspect of the model is definately messed up. Either the engine is generating too much thrust at low power settings, or the parasite drag term (which I'm sure they don't even model ) is too low. I also prefer the complex mode, because the flying qualities are much more accurate than those of HiFi, as well as low altitude energy-maneuverability characteristics. - Stuart ------------------------------- From: slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil (stuart butts/taai/75033) Subject: MiG-29 Weapons and Radar ?? > From: att!ihlpf!opus@uunet.uu.net > Subject: Re: MiG 29 Weapons and Radar ?? > The MiG-29 has a SWT (scan while track) mode that allows you to keep tabs > on one target while noting the location of other targets. I don't believe > any fighter radar can actually give full velocity vector and position > information on multiple planes simultaneously, but I'm not authority. Both the F-15C and F-16C can simultaneously track up to 10 targets while in Track-While-Scan (TWS) mode. Using AMRAAMs, the F-15C can simultaneously attack 8 targets, while the F-16C can simultaneously attack 6. The F-14 and F/A-18 have similar capabilities. - Stuart ------------------------------- From: slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil (stuart butts/taai/75033) Subject: Safe F-16 > From: "WADLEIGH, DAVID" > Subject: Re: Safe F16... > Thomas Weichert writes: > >"Turns out there are some people out there, that don't quite agree with: The > >F16 is safest single engine in the world! > >Ah well, sad stats they are indeed, as at October 1992, more than 140 > >Falcons have actually crashed with 90 pilots killed so far, almost as bad as > >the old F104 in Germany > I believe the statement that "the F16 is the safest single engine > fighter in the world" relates to engine performance/durability/reliability, > and not overall "safety" of the aircraft. I don't have the exact stats with me, but the F-16 is the safest (or maybe next safest) single engine fighter, now or anytime in history. You determine this by looking at accident rate per flying hours. There are three classes of accidents in the USAF. Class A accident is loss of life or more than $1,000,000 worth of damage. Class B accident is between $100,000 and $1,000,000 worth of damage. Class C accident is less than $100,000. The F-16 has historically had a Class A mishap rate in the USAF around 2. Class A mishap rate is number of Class A accidents per 100,000 flying hours. Other single engine fighters in the USAF were considerably higher. - Stuart ------------------------------- From: slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil (stuart butts/taai/75033) Subject: "The 29th" > From: mcoyne@acs.bu.edu (Michael Coyne) > Subject: Re: "The 29th" > According to SH's MiG29 manual, "the 29th" is the nickname which Russian > Air Force Pilots give the MiG29 Fulcrum (see page 3). I must have missed that Michael. - Stuart "removing foot from mouth :)" Butts ------------------------------- From: Ric Testagrossa Subject: Chad theatre There was a message recently that the Chad theatre had been uploaded to onion.rain.com, but when I went to the directory it was supposed to be in (/pub/falcon3/misc), this is what's listed: dir Did I misunderstand, or has it been moved? ------------------------------- From: carlos@tick.HQ.ileaf.com (Carlos Smith) Subject: Re: Mig Radar > From: MORGAN@WVUGEO.WVNET.EDU [stuff deleted] > *The MiG-29 has a SWT (scan while track) mode that allows you to keep tabs > *on one target while noting the location of other targets. I don't believe > *any fighter radar can actually give full velocity vector and position > *information on multiple planes simultaneously, but I'm not authority. [stuff deleted] > I am not an authority either. But I'll stick my neck out for giggles > and grins. I thought I heard somewhere (Wings??) that the F14 could > track some odd number of targets and fire on all simulataneously! > Of course the Pheonix is not your everyday missile, but the radar of > the Tomcat was designed to handle big time air engagements. [deleted] > As for the Mig, I would agree with the first poster that as an Air to air > plane, and the radar description, it would likely be able to multiple track > different targets simultaneously. Of course since the Old Soviet Union > is not exactly turning over the records of their defense systems to > SH, we may never really know just what it is capable of. The Mig 31 has a phased-array radar, capable of tracking and engaging multiple targets simultaneously. I believe the number was four. This was according to "Wings of the Red Star" on Discovery channel. As I recall, they said that the Mig 31 radar was the most sophisticated on any fighter, at least when it was first built. If anyone is curious, I can try to look up more details from the video and my book collection. As for the Mig 29, they haven't had it on yet (hopefully tomorrow (Wednesday) night!), so both I and SH are waiting for the facts! ------------------------------- From: jay.lee@msbbs.mn.org (Jay Lee) Subject: The '29th' Regarding Jeff's query of why some of us refer to the MiG-29 Fulcrum as 'the 29th', note page 3 of the MiG-29 Flight Manual from SH: Here you will learn to fly and fight in the best fighter plane ever made: the MiG-29, which NATO calls the Fulcrum. With time, we have also adopted this name, but some of us call it simply the `29th'. j ------------------------------- From: Mik Butler Subject: F16 & GLOC (for real) Re. F-16s that have crashed due to G-LOC : I've got a video documentary about the pilot/modern fighter aircraft relationship, and the difficulties that both pilots & aircraft designers now have to face. The conclusions reached are that there are two major problem areas: 1) High workload, especially in single-seat fighters, and particularly in the F-15 Eagle. 2) Physical stress on the pilot (i.e. G). There is an -ahem- interesting extract recorded from the video camera of a two-seater F-16 a training flight over the Arizona desert. The student pilot is pulling about 9G (the HUD is visible on the video), when he completely blacks out. As the pilot releases his grip on the stick, the G drops to one, the nose of the aircraft falls and falls (it was at a very high angle of bank) until its going almost straight down. The desert is now clearly visible, getting closer and closer, the airspeed is going up, the altitude is going down.... the instructor realises the student pilot is out, and pulls the aircraft out of its dive. It takes a full 9G pullout to miss the desert floor, during the pullout the instructor says "GOD-DAMMMMMMMMMMMM". If that aircraft had been a single seater, it would have crashed and the pilot killed. The documentary also shows an F-16 pilot in a centifuge pulling 9G, without doing the "energy straining manoeuver" (which is what keeps you awake/alive at 9G). As soon as he's asleep (after a second or so), they stop the centifuge. Even though the pilot wakes up fairly quickly (within a couple of seconds), it took him about 30 seconds (!!!!) to realise where he was/who he was. As they say, the lights were on but no one was in. Pretty scary. When the pilot was pulling 9Gs in the centifuge while performing the energy straining manoeuver, he was very much awake/alert, describing what was visible on a screen in front of him. He showed no signs of blacking out even during an extended 9G session. BTW, Last year at the Farnborough air show I spoke with a USAF major (F-16 instructor), and I asked him about high G & the F-16s reclining seat. He said that he personally didn't have a problem with high G, and he thought that the best thing about the reclining seat was that it made checking six much easier. He also let me fly the (non-motion) full-size F-16 simulator the USAF had brought to Farnborough! Interestingly enough, he let the visiting Russian Mig-29 & Su-27 test pilots also fly it.. Mik Butler ------------------------------- [[ End of digest Volume 5 : Issue 2 ]]