To: devnull@onion.rain.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) From: devnull@onion.rain.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) Reply-To: devnull@onion.rain.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) Sender: devnull@onion.rain.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) Errors-To: postmaster@onion.rain.com Return-Path: devnull@onion.rain.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) Precedence: bulk Bcc: falcon3-outgoing Subject: Falcon3 Digest V5 : I4 Falcon3 Digest Volume 5 : Issue 4 Fri Nov 12 21:24:23 PST 1993 Compilation copyright (C) 1993 Jeff Beadles Send submissions to "falcon3@onion.rain.com" Send add/drop requests to "majordomo@onion.rain.com" Archives are available via ftp from onion.rain.com [147.28.0.161] and mirrored on cactus.org in /pub/falcon3 Today's Topics: Patching Order: F3 + OFT eperez@hpprdos.prd.hp.com (Edgar Pe Hi-Fi/Complex shanev@aol.com Straining Maneuvers slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil F16 & GLOC slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil TWS radar mode slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil Bombing tactics slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil Dodging SA-7s slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil HiFi/Complex slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil No Digitized Speech kirti@Cadence.COM (Kirti Parmar) ------------------------------------------------------------ From: eperez@hpprdos.prd.hp.com (Edgar Perez) Subject: Patching Order: F3 + OFT Hi, I upgraded my original version 3.0e to 3.02 a few months ago. Now i want to install OFT. Do i have to reinstall the original 3.0e before installing OFT? Sorry if this is a faq. Thanks, Edgar Perez eperez@hpprdos.prd.hp.com ------------------------------- From: shanev@aol.com Subject: Hi-Fi/Complex Chera Bekker writes:>travelled mile. 2) When manouvering in a >dogfight the energy loss is much >larger in HIFI than in Complex. As I am pretty sure that in Complex >your engines >generates far too much thrust I think the engine modelling in HIFI is >better. I have to disagree with you here, Chera. I've found that in full military power, both models bleed energy pretty much the same (ver.3.02), however, in full afterburner, you can maintain a 9G turn in Hi-Fi while continuing to accelerate. In fact, I was able to go over 700 kts at 9G while accelerating until blackout. In Complex, you can maintain a 9G turn, but your airspeed will hold at around 450 kts (the correct airspeed for a 9G turn.) Also, in Hi-Fi, you can pull 9G at almost any speed except standing still. (A slight exaggeration, but not by much) ShaneV ------------------------------- From: slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil (stuart butts/taai/75033) Subject: Straining Maneuvers > From: k138836@ee.tut.fi (Korhonen Tommi) > Subject: Straining manouvers > What ar the anti-g staining manouvers? > Tensing feet? Step dancing? Lewd thoughts? > Does anyone know about those any more? There are two of these maneuvers, called the "L-1" and "M-1". I always forget which is which, but they both have you straining essentially every muscle in an effort to force the blood back up into your head, the difference between the two is in how you breathe. In one, you essentially hold your breath for a couple of seconds: quick inhale, hold, quick exhale, repeat. In the other you let your breath out slowly: quick inhale, slow exhale, repeat. I never really noticed much difference in terms of G-tolerance between the 2 maneuvers, but the one with the slow exhale was definately much less tiresome and more relaxing for me. Each guy has his own preference on which he wants to do. - Stuart ------------------------------- From: slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil (stuart butts/taai/75033) Subject: F16 & GLOC > From: Mik Butler > Subject: F16 & GLOC (for real) > BTW, Last year at the Farnborough air show I spoke with a USAF major (F-16 > instructor), and I asked him about high G & the F-16s reclining seat. > He said that he personally didn't have a problem with high G, > and he thought that the best thing about the reclining seat was that > it made checking six much easier. This was the first thing that impressed about the F-16 during BFM. Flying in the F-4 and F/A-18, you really have to twist your body to see what's going on above and behind you. This can be difficult under high G loads. In the Viper, you just lay back and you can see everything. It's great. > He also let me fly the (non-motion) full-size F-16 simulator the USAF had > brought to Farnborough! Interestingly enough, he let the visiting Russian > Mig-29 & Su-27 test pilots also fly it.. This past summer, several Russian test pilots came to the USAF Test Pilot School (TPS) to fly F-15s and F-16s. Then several USAF test pilots went to Russia to fly MiG-29s and Su-27s. I bet we have a Russian attending the USAF TPSbefore the end of the century, and probably the USN TPS as well. - Stuart ------------------------------- From: slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil (stuart butts/taai/75033) Subject: TWS radar mode > From: att!ihlpf!opus@uunet.uu.net > Subject: Re: MiG-29 Radar > >Both the F-15C and F-16C can simultaneously track up to 10 targets while in > >Track-While-Scan (TWS) mode. Using AMRAAMs, the F-15C can simultaneously > >attack 8 targets, while the F-16C can simultaneously attack 6. The F-14 and > >F/A-18 have similar capabilities. > Thanks for the info! Could you describe how in the heck a tiny CRT > screen can display speed, direction, and altitude information for > multiple targets at the same time? Or does the system KNOW this > information for missile guidance (or other) purposes, but can only > DISPLAY the numbers for one target at a time. Or is this classified? :^) Each of the tracked targets in TWS mode appear as a triangle. Below each triangle is a number that indicates altitude (x 1,000 ft). There is a line eminating from each target to show its direction of travel and speed. The longer the line the faster he's going. There will be one "bugged" (ie. priority target) you select with the cursor. For this target you get a digital readout of airspeed, groundtrack, and a few other things. - Stuart ------------------------------- From: slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil (stuart butts/taai/75033) Subject: Bombing tactics > From: "Tony Cecce, Corning, NY" > Subject: Bombing tactics > I have not tried dive bombing. Will the death dot perform as advertised > in this case? Do you manually release the bombs, or do you select the > target as above and let the computer do the work? If you do a quick double trigger pull, you release the bombs immediately bypassing that CCRP function SH built into the CCIP piper. So, if the death dot is over the target you should get a hit. - Stuart ------------------------------- From: slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil (stuart butts/taai/75033) Subject: Dodging SA-7s > From: "Greg Stelmack" > Subject: Thanks + SAM range + Padlock view > Also, I've learned to dodge most radar guided SAMs, but any hints on the SA-7 > would be appreciated (I think my problem here is that by the time I hit > Padlock to see the missile, it's too close for countermeasures...) This technique probably shouldn't work, but I have had pretty good succes with it, maybe 70-80%. When you determine it's an SA-7, light the burner and do a loop back into the missile. 99 times out of 100, the SA-7 should be coming from behind you, so this cuts a corner it can't hack I guess. If you've got the smash to maintain 400 knots over the top, you probably don't need to light the burner. I got this tip from Howard Bornstein's F3 book. - Stuart ------------------------------- From: slb512@trainserv.fastc.wpafb.af.mil (stuart butts/taai/75033) Subject: HiFi/Complex > From: Chera Bekker > Subject: HIFI/Complex > I think that not the engine but the drag modelling in HIFI is seriously wrong. > I have two arguments for that: 1) with your engines off you can glide for > many miles without any significant altitude loss. Normally the drag generated > by the lift of your wings would slow your plane much faster so you have to use > a steeper dive to maintain speed. This obviously means larger altitude loss > per travelled mile. I agree with you that it is most probably the drag model that is messed up, I was just trying to point out the the possible causes. > 2) When manouvering in a dogfight the energy loss is much larger in HIFI than > in Complex. Only at the higher altitudes (20,000 ft and above). At 10,000 ft, I got the HiFi model to do a sustained 9 g turn at 700 KTAS. This is total BS. Complex does about 450 KTAS at this altitude, which is still wrong but it is closer. However above 20,000 ft the HiFi model is a little better in this respect. > I think that to ultimately resolve this debate we need an F-16 pilot who will > compare both models. Probably they are both not very good . Well I'm not an F-16 pilot, but I do have a lot of experience with the aircraft as a performance and flying qualities flight test engineer. I've also got some flight time in the F-16. So my views are based on what I know about F-16 performance and flying qualities. - Stuart ------------------------------- From: kirti@Cadence.COM (Kirti Parmar) Subject: No Digitized Speech Greetings -- I recently purchased a MediaVision Pro Studio 16 sound card for my 486DX2-66 machine. With the card installed, I do not hear any of the digitized speech that I could previously hear (albeit, very uniteligible) thru the PC speaker. This occurs both with Falcon 3.0D and the new Falcon 3.0.2 that I picked up a few days ago on onion.rain.com. Reading the MediaVision manual, I noticed that they mentioned this was a known problem and to contact Spectru Holobyte for a patch/fix. Any info on such a fix would be greatly appreciated. -- Kirti "Alseep At The Wheel" Parmar ------------------------------- [[ End of digest Volume 5 : Issue 4 ]]