To: falcon3 (Falcon3 Mailing list) Reply-To: falcon3 (Falcon3 Mailing list) Errors-To: postmaster@onion.rain.com Precedence: bulk Bcc: falcon3-outgoing Subject: Falcon3 Digest V4 : I30 Falcon3 Digest Volume 4 : Issue 30 Wed Aug 18 11:51:47 PDT 1993 Compilation copyright (C) 1993 Jeff Beadles Send submissions to "falcon3@onion.rain.com" Send add/drop requests to "majordomo@onion.rain.com" Archives are available via ftp from onion.rain.com [147.28.0.161] and mirrored on cactus.org in /pub/falcon3 Today's Topics: Thunderbirds John Asa Price G-effects mcoyne@acs.bu.edu (Michael Coyne) Bugs, Campaigns and the `Cobra' rm09@orzspr.op.dlr.de Tornado Mig 29 conference tonight MORGAN@WVUGEO.WVNET.EDU Misc stuff. Chak-Yoon Aw Subject: Thunderbirds I took a previous suggestion and tried to do some airshow aerobatics over Nellis last night after winning my 15 day Kuwait campaign. (Sort of a welcome home airshow for all those folks who supported us on the home front...) Anyway, while doing my 4 point roll at 500', I noticed that it was very hard to keep my nose on the horizon. The trick I discovered is that if you fly at <450 kts, you can use your rudder (only keyboard for me) to keep the nose pointed in the right direction... But at high speed, you are SOL. Probably a good thing, coming in supersonic could damage the hearing of my spectators and probably scare the little kids :-) I remember that last time I watched the Thunderbirds, that when they came in for one of these maneuvers, they started a little nose high. Now I know why. During my second high AOA pass (<150kts), I was a little low, and did a perfect gear up landing (oops!). At least now I know that it is possible. This precision flying stuff is HARD! I figure I'll work on this a little before I submit my tape. BTW, 1: The Thunderbirds (f-16s) are coming to Seymour Johnson AFB (about 45 minute drive) on the 28th. You can bet I'll be there. This is always a good airshow. Probably the most impressive thing I saw last time was a KC-10 doing a high speed takeoff. It cruises down the runway (lightly loaded, I'm sure) until well above stall speed, then pulls the nose straight up (yes a KC-10!) and climbs verticle for several hundred feet. It's a sight that you really have to see to appreciate. BTW 2: Not connected to Falcon3, but I got to take a ride on a B-24 last week with the Confederate Air Force. Wow! It's nice to have connections... -- John Asa "Ace" Price ------------------------------- From: mcoyne@acs.bu.edu (Michael Coyne) Subject: G-effects I have been following the suggestions made recently for representing G-effects. There was actually an excellent show awhile back (perhaps on Wings, I cannot recall) which discussed the physiological effects of G-forces. As I remember, Blackout starts with the loss of color, tunnel vision, etc. and can progress to a point where vision is completely lost, BUT other senses such as hearing are still functional (i.e., the pilot can still hear radio messages). The skilled pilot should of course recognize that the total loss of vision occurs just before complete loss of consciousness, and respond accordingly by easing off the G's to allow blood back into his/her brain. If the pilot fails to back off, conscousness will be lost. The recovery period is a LONG and GRADUAL. Perhaps twenty seconds or longer? I feel that future falcon versions should incorporate more realistic G-effects, such as differentiation between loss of vision and loss of consciousness. I do not feel that an audible indication such as those described herein would be realistic, especially considering that hearing loss follows vision loss. I did like the idea of a tone indicating an efficient path for non-FBW A/C. One more idea: One of my friends had the fortune of riding in the backseat of an F-15. He mentioned that at high G's there was some type of buffetting, vibration, or shuddering of the airframe which occurred. Perhaps such an effect could also be modeled in if consistent with F-16 and MiG-29 charcteristics. Does anyone know more about this? Michael Coyne ------------------------------- From: rm09@orzspr.op.dlr.de Subject: Bugs, Campaigns and the `Cobra' A couple of people have mentioned that Falcon has suddenly moved their theatre of operation during a campaign - I haven't had the problem myself so can't test my method, but this may fix the problem: - Backup the campaign files. I would suggest copying them to a sub-directory, so: copy squad?.* \falcon\squad\*.* and if you're using Falcon version 3.02 copy mission.sav \falcon\squad\*.* for good measure. - Using a hex editor, open the squad?.squ file for the appropriate campaign squadron. To use Norton's diskedit and the campaign squadron squad0 as an example: diskedit squad0.squ - At offset 0x03, you will see the theatre name in ASCII text - if this is the INCORRECT theatre, then we're in business. Just change the theatre name to what it should be for your campaign, the table below gives the possibilities: Theatre squad?.squ file entry ============== ===================== ISRAEL Israel KOREA Korea KURILE ISLANDS Japan KUWAIT Kuwait PAKISTAN India PANAMA Panama Save the changes and check it out in Falcon - hopefully things should be back to normal. Let me know how it goes. ------------------------------------------------------------------ This is the word I received on the Cobra: Entry conditions are 250 knots level flight. Pull full aft stick as quickly as possible and hold it until the nose pitches up to about 110 degrees pitch attitude - AOA between 80 and 90 degrees. Airspeed will drop to about 100 knots. At the top, release stick back pressure and recover level flight. Altitude gain for the MiG-29/Su-27 is around 200ft, maybe less. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Finally, "Bob Rogers" asked whether enemy forces stay destroyed when hit? The answer is a definite Yes, but remember that all sites/nodes have a re-supply of their own. So destroying an SA-6 at a site is good, but if you want to really help yourself or your troops on the ground, make sure you really hit the enemy hard - that way it will take him longer to recover his strength and may allow your forces to retain occupation of a node that other- wise they would lose at the end of a days fighting. Use Falcon's RECON facility to identify such targets for secondary strike missions. If an additional flight destroys a strategic enemy site (runway, factory, etc.) even better, for although they can be repaired, it takes a long time. Beware of completely destroying sites! - make certain you leave a viable target (a target Falcon would give you on its frag list in the mission planner), so that if you are later assigned a mission to `Bomb' that site, you can complete your mission successfully. Check Six... Ian "Terminator" Kent ------------------------------- From: MORGAN@WVUGEO.WVNET.EDU Subject: Tornado Mig 29 conference tonight Hi all, I hope this gets in a digest before the end of the day. Unless I got my days wrong, there is an open conference on Genie tonight with the developers of Tornado and Mig 29. From SH will be Gary Sottlemeyer (sp !!??) and Karl Mauer. Gary did the enemy AI as I recall (among others I am sure) Karl is customer support. I do not recall who from DI will be there. If memory serves, it starts at 9:30, Wed 18 th. Hit M805 to go there. If I am wrong be sure to check the openning announcements for clarification. Scott in WV Morgan@wvugeo.wvnet.edu ------------------------------- From: Chak-Yoon Aw Subject: Misc stuff. Hi, A couple of comments on topics/items discussed in this most recent digest. With regards to the objects/sobjects thing, I have stopped using that sometime ago and use the "loadhigh" apporach. Someone mentioned that they were able to get high def planes with just 609K. How did you do that? I tweaked to get 620K and still had to use "loadhigh" to get max details. I'm using DOS 5's EMM386, and have my mouse driver and Smartdrive (read caching only) loaded high....that's it! I started a campaign in Korea (flying version 3.02, complex mode) and was assigned an escort mission. Took off but could not locate the B-52s. I decided to keep flying towards the target assuming that I'll run into them eventually (it has happened before in eralier versions and campaigns). Got over the target but no B-52s still. Ended up losing a couple of planes to SAMs and bandits but got home safely. Was told in the debrief that mission failed because bombers did not reach the target....but they were no where to be seen! Just a program glitch I presume or has anyone else seen this? By the way, the S and D/armed recon missions over by Samcheong(sp?) were murder! Haven't had one successful yet. Chak chakaw@u.washington.edu ------------------------------- From: intgp1!bash@uunet.UU.NET (Thomas W Basham +1 708 979 6336) Subject: Re: Gees >Has anyone had experience with Gs? Does the redout blood vessel rupture >let the blood go away from eyes? Do you ever -in that sortie- get your >vision totally back? I've been from -1G to +5G. -1G was not enough to redout, but was enough to stall the T-34's piston engine and make your stomach feel very uncomfortable. As for blackout, in all cases where I lost any vision, either 1) unloading the G or 2) performing the straining maneuver, or 3) both IMMEDIATELY restored full vision. One friend who did GLOC in the T-34 was out cold for about 4 or 5 seconds, then immediately recovered full vision. He was a little disoriented (ie, he had no idea where his opponent had gone), but was otherwise fine. Tom "KC" Basham ------------------------------- [[ End of digest Volume 4 : Issue 30 ]]