To: devnull@falcon3.k9.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) From: devnull@falcon3.k9.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) Reply-To: devnull@falcon3.k9.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) Sender: devnull@falcon3.k9.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) Errors-To: postmaster@falcon3.k9.com Return-Path: devnull@falcon3.k9.com (Falcon3 Mailing list) Precedence: bulk Bcc: falcon3-outgoing Subject: Falcon3 Digest V7 : I100 Falcon3 Digest Volume 7 : Issue 100 Thu Jul 20 07:31:30 PDT 1995 Compilation copyright (C) 1995 Jeff Beadles Send submissions to "falcon3@falcon3.k9.com" Send add/drop requests to "majordomo@falcon3.k9.com" Archives are available via ftp from cactus.org Today's Topics: Re: REALLY long... Email version of "Leo G. Divinagracia III" Re: SAMS shoot at enemys? James G Schuldes ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Leo G. Divinagracia III" Subject: Re: REALLY long... Email version of the O'Grady rescue in B okay folks, either you believe this or think this some kind of a hoax, but i thought the list might enjoy taking a look a message from someone who claims they were on the mission to rescue the downed f-16 pilot in bosnia about a month or so ago. included in the message i received was tons of other people's quoted message since like a chain letter, i'm probably like the 1000th generation that has gotten this. anyway, the stuff looks neat, just like off my falcon gold manuals. btw, can someone decipher all the TLO's (three letter acronyms) used... --------------------- Forwarded message: Originated-by: Date: 95-06-08 19:32:48 EDT (8 Jun 95) To all my Viper buds and other Shit Hot Fighter Gods on the net - It was a good day at Aviano! As you guys have no doubt heard, we rescued Scott "Zulu" O'Grady today after 6 days of E&Eing in the Bosnian countryside. We had an idea that he was still out there but hadn't had positive radio contact until about 0000Z this morning when Capt T.O. Hanford had some extra gas so he stayed in his CAP a little longer and tried to reach Zulu on the SAR A (PRC-112) freq from the day of the shoot down. After about 40 minutes of calls in the blind, T.O. started getting some suspect clicks on the mike. Finally, Zulu came up voice. T.O. didn't have all the info from Zulu's ISOPREP so he came up with a quick way to verify it was indeed Zulu, although it sounded like Zulu recognized T.O.'s voice and called him by name (although the comm was weak since T.O. (Basher 11) was about 70 miles away). The comm went something like this. "Basher 52 this is Basher 11" click "Basher 52, this is Basher 11, are you up on this freq" "This is Basher 52" "Say again, understand this is Basher 52" "This is Basher 52...I'm alive" "Say again, Basher 52, you are weak and unreadable, this is Basher 11" "This is Basher 52!" pause "Basher 52, what squadron were you in at Kunsan?" "Juvats! Juvats! I'm alive!" "Copy that, you're alive! Basher 52, sit tight and come back up at 15 past the hour" T.O. then started coordinating with Magic to pass words to the Deny Flight CAOC (command center) that he had positive radio contact with Basher 52. They replied that T.O. should pass the word "manana" to Basher 52. When he did, Zulu replied "I want to get picked up tonight!" (imagine that). So T.O. passed that to the CAOC and the decision was made to press with a rescue. We were 2 hours before sunrise so it would be daylight but there was concern (rightly so) that word would get out to the press and every SA-6 in the AOR would be mobile and spiking us and the rest of the rescue package. So they went ASAP. T.O. stayed airborne (now at about the 4 hour point in his sortie - one note here: T.O. got high marks for wingman consideration for advising his wingman that it was a good time to take a piss on the way to the tanker! That video clip probably won't make CNN ) and the 510 FS Buzzards scrambled our alert guys (I was #2). Unfortunately, Vaughn "Slot" Littlejohn and I had just gone from 60 minute alert to 180 minute alert and I had headed home to get some sleep. The phone rang at about 0255L (after about 10 minutes of sleep) telling me to get in there ASAP. I was back at the SQ in 15 minutes. Before I was even in the door, our ADO, Phil "Psycho" Sever told me we had positive radio contact, get dressed, step, crank, and taxi ASAP - I would meet SLOT in EOR whenever he made it in. We were in the air at about 0400L (1+05 from a dead sleep at home) loaded with 2xGBU-12s, 2 slammers, 2 9Ms, a 131 pod, and 2 tanks (Standard DF SCL). We swapped out with T.O. manning the cap and staying in touch with Zulu every 15 minutes. A SEAD package was getting airborne as T.O. started his RTB. We had a plan with the F-18Ds (Harm shooters (kind of), with NVGs and a WSO), EFs, and EA-6Bs to try to establish contact. But since we already had contact, the F-18s just did a recce run to get a good fix on him and to check the weather. Meanwhile, Zobe the hero, callsign Rock 42, was hanging on Slot's wing 70 miles away listening to the whole thing, ensuring my tape was on. I can't wait to tell my grandkids about the day I put all my Weapons School training to use - "No shit, kids, there I was - tape on, tape off, tape on, tape off. The pressure was incredible!" Seriously, although I didn't do shit, it was shit hot to listen to the entire mission unfolding .. The helos were inbound, authenicating Zulu (they asked him what he was called in high school when he got drunk!) With a good ID they moved in, had Zulu pop some smoke, and picked him up. The whole thing from the authentication to the pick-up was about 10 minutes (seemed like an eternity). To hear comm like, "Basher 52, got you in sight", was pretty moving, especially after thinking for most of the week that Zulu was a mort ("Wilbur" Wright didn't see a chute, no radio contact, etc.) I've never been choked up in the jet before, but I was this morning. Unfortunately, they weren't out of danger yet. We hit the tanker and when we came back up to Magic freq the helos were about 13 miles from feet wet. Then I heard the escort chopper, c/s Bull, say, "Bud, impacts underneath you. SAMS IN THE AIR! SAMS IN THE AIR!" FUCK!! Luckily, they missed, although they took some small arms fire and apparently the gunner from Bull silenced that. About 10 minutes later, we heard the call that they were feet wet, then shortly after that that they had "mother in sight" (the ship), two more bits of comm that I will never forget. So we got one of our own back. What a day. I wish we could have done more in the rescue but it was almost entirely a Navy and Marine show (we and the mud-eagles were in the cap) and they kicked ass. So don't bad mouth the squids and jarheads too loudly - they put on a good act today and we've got a Viper driver back because of it. I thought you might enjoy hearing the story straight from the CSAR Commander of VTR Ops! Hope it wasn't too mushy, but after all, I did cry when I watched Old Yeller. That's just the emotional type of guy I am! Hope all is well with you guys at your various bases. Drop me a line and let me know what's up. Fly safe, check six, and pray for the UN leadership to get a clue and let us blow these bastards back into the stone age! Zobe End of forwarded message. - -- Leo G. Divinagracia III leo@barney.sbe.csuhayward.edu ------------------------------- From: rlarkin@cisco.com (Ron Larkin) Subject: Falcon version determination >How can I easily find out which the versions are that I'm working with (for >example Falcon 3.04)? Type CHECKVER from the Falcon3 directory, it will show you what version of Falcon (and Hornet, and Mig-29) that you are running. Ron. Ron Larkin rlarkin@cisco.com ------------------------------- From: 9506012x@lux.levels.unisa.edu.au (9506012x) Subject: Doing A-G missions (Was Re: Helping a new player) Hi everyone! > From: James G Schuldes > > Sad to say, but you can send the other sections in to do the SEAD work and > you hang back for the stand-off and destroy. Also, you can try going in > real low (<500 agl!) to avoid SAMS and going in real high (>35k agl). I've tried both these tactics, and none of them work against SA-7s and AAA, which are the most deadly. The radar missiles pose me no problems at all if you use ECM and chaff a bit (I can't remember the last time I was shot down by one) but below 500 feet, you are bait for an SA-7 or AAA, and when you come in from >35k, Falcon won't draw the landscape underneath you, so you can't attack anyway, even though an AGM-65D has a range of 14 miles. It is only around 10k ft that I can see the tanks, buildings, and stuff. By the time I drop my bombs and pull up, I am within SA-7 range, and usually within AAA range as well. That is when the carnage begins, and we all get massacred. If there is no AAA, I can dodge a few SA-7s and beat a hasty retreat, but if you take too long, one hits you eventually. The AAA is impossible to dodg from what I've seen. Are there any good tactics for attacking an airfield say that is heavily defended with AAA guns and lots of infantry with SA-7s? thanks, Wayne --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Piekarski CSE Student @ The University of South Australia 9506012x@lux.levels.unisa.edu.au waynep@cleese.apana.org.au (08) 260-4363 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- From: "Michael G. Hnatt" Subject: Re: Help for new player >2) Is it just me (and my relative inexperience) or should I be losing >so many planes and pilots when doing campaigns? I have trained I know what you mean. I feel like I'm pretty good, but most of the time, I get blown out by SAM's. "Caution......Caution......Warning .......Warning". It seemed for a while though that when I was in verison 3.04, I did well. Now since I upgraded I'm back to square one. Maybe this is just me. I wonder if having a fast computer has anything to do with it? (dumb question) Maybe these guys have unlimited chaffs/flares and are just squirting them out all over the place. With a very limited supply, I only shoot out a few. Guess I should change that tactic. I do the head- on, then hard bank, (and many vatiations and distances) but thats blaoney when you have 5 or 6 of them. Heck, when can you get any work done doing that???!!? Ah well, though. It makes it that much better when I drop a cluster bomb on a SAM squad. Those little bast__ds! (Sometimes, just for kicks I'll drop an MK84 on one!) I'm excited about trying out SLIP Falcon play. I will work on it this week with my brother "Pork" (Howdy Steven!). By the way, did anyone see a version of Hornet greater than 1.02? And what in the heck order do you install them anyway? (Still can't go to external veiw in playback) Ok, one more question before while I'm here. Why is RED FLAG no longer at Nellis? Kingfish ------------------------------- From: Brad Barns Subject: SAMS shoot at enemys? Does anybody know if "our" SAMS shoot at enemy aircraft? If there is such a large scale war going on (like the manual tells us) with "our" tanks, troops etc attacking "their" tanks, troops etc, then "our" guys should be shooting SAMS at the enemy aircraft like "their" guys shoot them at us ... I don't believe I have seen any SAMS going for any enemy aircraft. The manual certainly doesn't mention it and nor does the strategy book I have. ------------------------------- From: Jeff Beadles Subject: Re: SAMS shoot at enemys? >Does anybody know if "our" SAMS shoot at enemy aircraft? Yes, they do. I've flown in many campaigns where when taking off, we were jumped by bandits. The sams would take off after them. I believe that this was most common in Pakastan. -Jeff - -- Jeff Beadles jeff@k9.com ------------------------------- From: James G Schuldes Subject: Re: SAMS shoot at enemys? On Thu, 20 Jul 1995, Brad Barns wrote: > Does anybody know if "our" SAMS shoot at enemy aircraft? Absolutely, YES! I have seen enema aircraft being downed by SAM's. I landed RTB and went to padlock to watch my wingines come in. I locked on bandits and saw the local SAM site take them out! I haven't tried it but think that ground troops you can place in Red Flag would support air ops as well. You can place and select SAM shooters so I'd think that they can and will shoot. Jim Schuldes Information Processing Consultant School of Business Administration University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee (414) 229-3893 ------------------------------- [[ End of digest Volume 7 : Issue 100 ]]